Monday, 25 August 2008

Ustaz’ revelation on Saiful’s oath

Ustaz Ramlang Porigi (pic. left), one of the central figures in the swearing case of Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan , has stepped forward to reveal that he "had been instructed" and roped in by his”superiors” to be a witness to the swearing ceremony, reports Malaysiakini.

The ustaz made the revelation at the Bandar Perda Mosque and then two ceramahs at Kg Belah Dua and Padang Ibu last night.

Ramlang started appearing at PKR ceramahs Saturday, revealing his role and his view on Saiful's swearing on the Quran.

The BN has been screening at most of their ceramahs a video of Saiful taking his oath in the Federal Territory mosque on Aug 15, a day before nomination day of the Permatang Pauh Parliamentary by-election, alleging that PKR chief Anwar Ibrahim had sodomised him.

BN Umno leaders have also been harping at Anwar to make similar oath in a mosque or before Islamic scholars.

Extracts from Malaysiakini: http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/88468

"My task was only to hear the oath and I had no part in the drafting of the oath which Saiful made. It is also unimportant for me so specify who."

"I also wish to deny that I received any money to witness the swearing. I was only on instructions," said Ramlang in a hastily arranged press conference by PKR at 12.30am this morning.

Also facing the media for the first time after the incident at the Federal Territory Mosque, Ramlang said that Saiful made two mistakes that day.

"During the swearing, Saiful mis-pronounced one of the Islamic words because he had it written down in Malay instead of Arabic.

Ramlang also revealed a Freudian slip by Saiful."Saiful also made a mistake on when Anwar Ibrahim had allegedly inserted his penis into his rectum.

"Instead of June 26, Saiful said he was sodomised on Aug 26 before correcting himself," said Ramlang at PKR headquarters, Yayasan Aman in Permatang Pauh.

A fake Umno member

The Sabah-born imam also revealed that he is an Umno member, registered in Permatang Pauh in 2003.

But when asked if he was worried about the status of his membership in Umno, he said he was not.

"I only joined Umno because of a friend. And since I don't hold any positions in the party, I've nothing to be afraid of.

"I'm not active even and I can be said to be a fake member," Ramlang added .

However, Ramlang provided no further details on who instructed him to witness the swearing ceremony except to say that the order came from his superiors.

On what encouraged him to come forward now, Ramlang said that the criticism and pressure he has faced after the event was overwhelming.

He said that he also wanted to clear the air on his position in the FT Mosque.

Immediately after the press conference, which last for about 15 minutes, Ramlang was whisked away by PKR leaders to an unknown location.

Also present at the press conference was PKR vice presidents Azmin Ali and R Sivarasa as well as a host of other local leaders. PKR information chief Tian Chua was also present.

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21 comments:

Labu said...

So what?
he got instruction from his boss to do the job.
Saiful mis-pronounced words and date.
Then? what is the issue here?

Somebody's so desperate to capitalise even an onion-thin evident (if we call it evident)

haiya....

Anonymous said...

See la, how this beast makes himself and the religion a mockery. Hope Muslims come very hard on issues like this whether it involves Saiful or others. We have a case, one swearing on Koran, which even the Imam himself is not convinced.

Isn't that something for concern for Muslims in Malaysia? If this becomes as trend we will have a bunch of people to use Koran to get away from lies and corruption which would destroy holiness of religion.

suresh

Nostradamus said...

Malaysiakini Bloggers Headlines on 27 August 2008.

“Man of Honour” won Landslide Victory in P44 Permatang Pauh!

Merdeka! Merdeka! Merdeka! Merdeka! Merdeka! Merdeka! Merdeka!

A defining moment in Malaysian History was achieved when DSAI won the by-election in Permatang Pauh yesterday with a landslide victory over his opponent just 3 days prior to Parliament presenting it’s 2009 Budget (29 August 2008) and 5 days prior to Malaysians celebrating it’s 51st Anniversary of Merdeka (Liberty Day) on 31st August 2008.

Sit tight for the next episode on 29 August 2008, the preview to 16 September 2008 when Malaysia celebrates “Freedom Day”.

More Prophesies at Nostradamus Quatrains on “Wag the Dog” and Nostradamus Quatrains on Malaysia.

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Michelle said...

Kak Ton,

Read on Rocky's blog that your father is in the hospital.

I will be praying for his speedy recovery.

God Bless.

Hi&Lo said...

"if one sees evil, one must try to stop it with his hands. If this is not possible, one must do it with his heart."

sukj said...

Salam Kak Maria,

Macam mana keadaan Pak Samad sekarang?

Semoga beliau semakin sembuh seperti sedia kala.

Insyaallah

sank said...

Najib's aide, the one who was working with Sayful was there to witness the hypocritical aothing: Now we know.

Watch below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltm70cmEC2U

maria a samad (kak ton) said...

wa alaikum salaam sukj,

Keadaan beliau lebih "stable" sekarang tapi masih dlm tahap "kritikal."

Thank you for your concern and for dropping by.

maria a samad (kak ton) said...

Hi michelle,

Thank you for the prayers. Appreciate that very much.

pemerhati said...

My prayers for you andyour family.

Stay strong.

sesat said...

Dear Kak Ton,

Stay strong and let's hope your Bapak will be off the critical list soon. My thoughts and prayers are with you all.

Anonymous said...

get it from the horses' mouth
go here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltm70cmEC2U
UMNO HOLDS no more moral high ground as the guardians of “bangsa dan agama” after the revelations by the FT ustaz that NAJIB’S AIDE WAS INVOLVED WITH THE SWEARING on the Koran by SAIFUL.

This is a very brave soul the ustaz, who takes his job and religion very very seriously, THIS MAN FEARS FOR HIS SOUL, HE FEELS THAT THE RELIGEON OF ISLAM HAS BEEN MANIPULATED indiscriminately, BY UMNO. This just goes to show who is actually insulting Islam, nobody else has tarnished Islam more than najib and his umno gang.
WITH THIS REVELATION THAT NAJIB'S SPECIAL OFFICER WAS INVOLVED, THE WHOLE CONSPRRACY IS BLOWN SKY HIGH, NAJIB YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BECOME THE NEXT PRIME MINISTER AS THIS HAS SHOWN THAT YOU are morally corrupt and HOLD A TOTAL DISREGARD TO YOUR RELIGION OF ISLAM AND you are morally damned in the whole nation's eyes. TO ME YOU ARE SCUM, WHAT FILTH YOU SPOUT FOR MONEY AND POWER WHEN YOU ARE WILLING TO EXPLOIT ALLAH S.W.T. LAWS AND ABUSE IT. YOU ARE DAMNED AND YOU WILL PAY ON THE DAY YOU MEET YOUR MAKER. Never in my life have I seen a leader so callous, morally & religiously corrupt. You are an insult to your race and to all Muslims. HOW TO BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU SAY ANYMORE, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO LIE AND ABUSE YOUR OWN RELEGION so that one day you will become the PM, TO YOU I SAY NEVER, YOU WILL BECOME THE PM ONLY OVER OUR DEAD BODIES. I as a fellow Malaysian EVEN THOUGH A NON MUSLIM, BUT BECAUSE I AM MALAYSIAN AND BOUND BY THE CONSTITUTION OF MALAYSIA, WHERE IT IS STATED THAT ISLAM IS THE OFFICIAL RELIGION OF THE COUNTRY, THE SABIT ON THE MALAYSIAN TO WHICH I BOW TO AND RESPECT, GIVES ME THE MORAL RIGHT TO DEMAND THAT ACTION BE TAKEN.
I ask all the MALAYSIANS, muslims AND NON-MUSLIMS of this nation to come FORWARD and together demand the resignation of Najib TUN RAZAK, SYED HAMID ALBAR, the IGP, AG and all those involved in this conspiracy, directly or indirectly, all those involved inclusive of SAIFUL BUKHARI TO BE INVESTIGATED AND to be charged by BOTH THE CIVIL (ABUSE OF POWER, FALSE POLICE REPORTS, INVESTIGATIONS, TRUMPTED UP CHARGES AGAINST DSAI,AND the shariah court for insulting, MANIPULATING, CORRUPTION, INVOLVEMENT IN THE FALSE SWEARING AND ALSO SEDETIOUS BEHAVIOUR FOR INSULTING AND TARNISHING THE NAME OF ISLAM. THE IS THE WORST SCANDAL, THIS IS SO low down and dirty that UMNO has shown they are so corrupt, they will abuse and manipulate Islam to deceive the nation's muslims. This has shown UMNO holds no moral high ground as per regarding ISLAM, IS THIS HADHARI ISLAM; I think the BADAWI HAS A LOT TO ANSWER ABOUT THIS, AS BY BEING THE PRESIDENT OF UMNO AND THE PRIME MINISTER THE BUCK STOPS WITH HIM. SHAME UMNO SHAME, you are scum. HOW YOU CAN DO THIS TO A FELLOW MUSLIM FOR THAT MATTER, DON'T YOU HAVE A CONSCIENCE, or have you all been blinded by the false gold of wealth and power, where will that bring you when you face your maker.

August 25, 2008 1:30 PM

paloi bin mulau said...

Labu,

the issue here is...that sumpah was arranged so hastily. May i say that sepol may lied when he said the time just coincident with pp election.

he may lied when he said he did it volunteerily. i not question his sumpah. maybe he right maybe he lied only Allah knows.

The Ancient Mariner said...

Dear Tok Mommy,

Sorry to hear about Pak Samad. Best wishes and prayers for a speedy recovery. Hope he will be OK soon.

Salt N Turmeric said...

Kak Ton, praying for ur dad's speedy recovery. *hugs*

farina

Anonymous said...

The Ramlang Porigi Interview by SuaraKeadilan

http://www.suarakeadilan.com/sk/berita-utama/2008/08/1299

(notes in bracket)

PERMATANG PAUH 25 OGOS (SK): IMAM Masjid Wilayah Persekutuan, Ramlang Porigi mendedahkan konspirasi terhadap Ketua Umum KeADILan, Anwar Ibrahim yang dirancang oleh Timbalan Perdana, Najib Razak. Dalam temuramah eksklusif dengan Suara Keadilan, Ramlang berkata seorang pegawai khas kepada Najib telah mengaturkan segala persiapan upacara sumpah yang dilakukan oleh Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan dengan disaksikan oleh beliau sendiri.

Ikuti pendedahan yang pasti menggegarkan ini bersama dua orang wartawan kanan Edi Suleiman dan Dzulkarnain Taib serta Rusnizam Mahat dan juruvideo Ebrahim Harris.

SK: Boleh ustaz terangkan siapa yang arahkan ustaz untuk menjadi saksi kepada sumpah Saiful di Masjid Wilayah Persekutuan?

RP: Saya diarahkan oleh pihak atasan jabatan saya dan saya hanya mengikut arahan yang diberi kepada saya. Saya tidak terlibat dalam menyediakan teks atau apa yang perlu Saiful lakukan seperi perlu memegang Al-Quran atau tidak.

(so he is not part of the alleged conspiracy - background actor - extra ? )

SK: Saiful dikatakan tersalah sebut beberapa istilah semasa lafaz sumpah beliau. Adakah ini mencacatkan kesahihan sumpah yang dia ucapkan?

RP: Bagi saya  kalau dia bersumpah untuk dirinya sendiri sumpah itu boleh diterima lagi tetapi dikatakan mubahalah tidak sempurna selagi kedua-dua pihak tidak bersumpah.

( SO THE SUMPAH ACCEPTABLE. No muhabalah without anwar's presence )

SK: Apa yang mendorong Ustaz mengatakan semasa sidang akhbar bahawa Ustaz merasakan apa yang dilakukan oleh Saiful adalah perancangan satu konspirasi?

RP: Saya ingin jelaskan ada seorang yang saya kenal, dialah yang mengatur sumpah Saiful. Yang saya pasti gambarnya dipaparkan didalam internet dimana beliau bergambar bersama Saiful Bukhari di hadapan pejabat Timbalan Perdana Menteri, Najib Razak. Saya rasa jawatannya adalah Pegawai Khas kepada Najib.

( we all knew that person is a friend of saiful coincidently - does not change the status of the sumpah )

SK: Apakah isi perbincangan pegawai khas tersebut dengan Ustaz?

RP: Apabila saya bertemu dengan beliau di masjid dia bertanya sama ada saya salah seorang daripada empat imam yang akan menyaksikan sumpah Saiful.Saya menjawab saya ada majlis akad nikah yang hendak saya langsungkan dan kalau saya sempat saya akan menyaksikan sumpah Saiful.

( So he had an option to disobey "orang atasan" -ie. kalau sempat... )

SK: Apa yang menyebabkan Ustaz berkata Saiful tidak menunjukkan sebarang reaksi seolah-olah perkara ini adalah kecil dan tidak penting?

RP: Jika kita beragama Islam dan beriman dan sekiranya kita ingin melakukan sumpah seperti ini kita merasa bimbang, adakah sumpah yang kita lakukan ini adalah betul. Kita akan rasa ketakutan dan riak wajah kita pun kita akan dapat tahu yang kita ketakutan. Berat sebenarnya sumpah ini.

( Allah itu Maha Mengetahui -takut hanya kerana salah jika beragama Islam dan beriman... as he has said )

SK- Dan adakah beliau yang dimaksudkan oleh Ustaz sebagai pegawai khas kepada Najib itu menghubungi Ustaz selepas itu?

RP- Tidak ada.

( to force him to conspire ? )

SK-Tetapi yang sahnya, seorang pegawai khas kepada Timbalan Perdana Menteri bertemu Ustaz di dalam masjid.

RP- Ya!

( and ....??? sumpah also sah? )

Sk-Setelah Ustaz membaca caci, tohmah dan maki hamun terhadap Ustaz ( from Anwar's supporters - including yang beriman from PAS? ) selepas peristiwa itu di dalam laman web adakah Ustaz menghubungi pihak berkuasa atau pun sesiapa untuk membantu Ustaz dalam perkara ini untuk membersihkan imej Ustaz?

RP-Saya ada bertanya kepada pegawai saya bagaimana keadaan yang saya alami tetapi saya tidak dipertahankan bila saya  dicaci. Orang kata yang bukan-bukan. Saya lihat dalam tempoh seminggu dua ini memang jabatan saya tidak mempertahankan saya.

( maybe the jabatan also not part of the so called conspiracy - impartial ? )

SK: Apa jawapan ketua jabatan Ustaz?

RP: Oleh kerana imam besar tiada pada masa itu, saya hanya bertanya kepada pegawai sahaja dan dia cuma mengatakan bahawa perkara itu kita pun tidak tahu kebenarannya, jadi kita jangan merasa bersalah,itu sahaja. Jadi segala tohmahan yang dilemparkan kepada saya tidak betul jadi beliau berkata kita tidak perlu berasa tertekan atau bersalah.

( Agreed with the pegawai )

SK: Jadi apa perasaan Ustaz bila beliau beri jawapan sedemikian?

RP: Jadi bagi saya, saya perlu menilai diri saya sendiri apakah itu tindakan betul yang saya lakukan.Kalau kita lihat pada laporan internet itu, ianya memang satu fitnah dan saya boleh menyaman tetapi kerana bimbangkan kerja saya, jadi saya hanya berdiam diri sahaja

( better stick to the pegawai's advice above )

SK: Sekarang Ustaz bimbangkan kerja Ustaz akan terjejas, apakah langkah Ustaz seterusnya selepas membuat penjelasan ini?

RP: Saya telah berfikir semasak-masaknya apa yang saya telah saya lakukan hari ini.Kawan saya ada memberitahu  bahawa insya Allah rezeki Allah SWT ini amat luas. Kita jangan berfikir hanya itu sahaja kerja yang ada.

( Absolutely true )

SK: Mungkin keselamatan Ustaz terjejas disebabkan tindakan berani Ustaz tampil ke hadapan menjelaskan perkara sebenar.  Apakah langkah yang akan Ustaz ambil memandangkan perkara ini sudah luas tersebar dan ada kemungkinan polis ‘mencari’ ustaz?

( he hasn't disappear, has he? We all know which mosque to find him. )

RP:  Itu saya berserah kepada ALLAH SWT kerana sebagai makhluk yang diciptakan oleh ALLAH SWT hanya ALLAH SWT sahaja yang berkuasa ke atas setiap makhluk.

( Absolutely agree )

MM

Zed Zachary said...

What a waste of time reading this latest posting!! The point of the matter is not whether Saiful had made mistakes during the swearing but rather on the more delicate issue of whether the sodomy really happened or otherwise.

The wrong pronunciation or the wrong date mentioned by him (though he corrected it later on) is a matter between him and God. And of course it wont stand in the court of law. The swearing is between him and the Almighty. So in the eyes of God, if the act did not happen and all of it was a lie then God will have his on ways of punishing the guy.

Wrong pronunciation and I-was-dragged-by-my-superior reason don't really matter in the eyes of God!! Only God knows what is in the hearts of both of the perpetrators.

If I were Anwar and on the path of truth, then I wouldn't have any objection of swearing in public to clear my name of such slanderous remarks. Instead of doing just that, what Anwar does is to find technical faults on the swearing ceremony itself. Be careful of the wolf in the sheepskin knocking at your door!!

a friend said...

Dear Maria,

My prayers for your dad and family. Take care.

Anonymous said...

kak maria,

My prayers for Pak Samad's speedy recovery.

Lu Fikirlah Sendiri....... said...

Seorang Muslim sejati tidak perlu bersumpah kerana berkata benar adalah merupakan satu kewajipan. Jika sesuatu keadaan memerlukan seseorang itu bersumpah, maka dengan itu difahami bahawa sepanjang kehidupannya telah dipenuhi dengan kata-kata dusta sehingga sesekali apabila seseorang itu bekata benar, maka dia bersumpah dengan nama Allah bagi meyakinkan bahawa dia adalah benar.

Dalam konteks ini, konsep bersumpah sewajarnya tidak boleh diterima pakai dalam menentukan kebenaran dan keadilan terhadap seseorang. Sebaliknya, ia adalah perantaraan di antara seseorang yang bersumpah dengan penciptanya (Allah) dan bagi memberitahu kepada khalayak tentang kebenaran melalui sumpah yang dilafazkan. Namun ianya tidak terikat dengan mana-mana peraturan mahupun undang-undang bahawa dia adalah benar. Ini kerana kebenaran hakiki hanya diketahui oleh Allah s.w.t. Oleh itu, proses perundangan masih perlu diteruskan samada melalui hukum syariah ataupun sivil. Selebihnya, khalayak berhak membuat persepsi peribadi.

Namun persepsi peribadi inilah yang cuba dieksploitasikan oleh sesetengah golongan dalam usaha meraih kepentingan politik iaitu dengan mengeksploitasi persepsi khalayak untuk mendapat undi.

Walau bagaimanapun, sebagai seorang Muslim, setelah kemelut ini diheret kepada isu sumpah serta melibatkan kesucian agama Islam dan kebesaran Allah s.w.t, maka penulis dengan rendah dirinya ingin mengajak SELURUH UMAT Islam terutama di Malaysia, atas tanggungjawab FARDHU KIFAYAH, agar bersama-sama menunaikan SOLAT HAJAT dan berdoa agar Allah s.w.t menunjukkan KEBENARAN HAKIKI melalui kekuasaan yang dimilikinya dengan melimpahkan RAHMAT kepada mereka yang dianiaya dan menurunkan LAKNAT kepada mereka yang menganiaya. Ini kerana umat Islam sudah muak dan jijik dengan keadaan serta kemelut yang melanda di negara ini. Ayuh, saudaraku,firman Allah dalam surah Al-Fatihah " Hanya Engkau Kami Sembah, Dan Hanya Engkau Kami Memohon Pertolongan". Kami umat Islam inginkan bentuk kehidupan yang sederhana serta jauh daripada segala macam KEJIJIKAN yang sedang berlaku di negara ini. A Lu Pikir Lah Sendiri

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zaitgha said...

Kak Ton,

Pray that your dad will recover soon and for the posting, its scary when Islam mula di permain2kan olih orang2 yang sepatutnyer memimbing orang2 macam saya....

only God knows the best....